The problem of economics doesn't lie in the death penalty, but in the costs of trials & appeals. And those (many) appeals are there to ensure that nobody gets wrongfully convicted.
Um, no? The many appeals to ensure that nobody gets wrongfully convicted are a major part of the death penalty. You can't simply discard them as another separate entity. They are inseparably bound.
Not an effective deterrent? Notice the swift & sharp increase in homocides after the death penalty's abolishment in the United States? How do you explain that? And also the sharp drop after the first widely publicized execution since its reinstation?
That is not what the graph says. I would like text to prove this.
That, or the graph lies. No source? No website? That graph means nothing. You can't disprove a source with a graph you could have very-well made in powerpoint a few minutes ago. Especially if you are to question my sources directly after...SOURCE
That is the State of Tennessee, and that is an official document.
A recent survey of the nation’s top criminologists indicated that capital punishment is not an
effective deterrent of murder. 35 Researchers surveyed all current and past presidents of three
prestigious, scholarly organizations (The American Society of Criminology, The Academy of
Criminal Justice Sciences, and The Law and Society Association) regarding capital
punishment and deterrence
From same source wrote:
Further, nearly 80 percent of the respondents indicated that states
with the death penalty did not have lower murder rates when compared to states with the
Yes, I've seen it where they've made it to death row and then been cleared of the charges, yes I've seen it to where some people really still felt they were innocent after execution but didn't have conclusive proof of it. But, like I said before, I have yet to see conclusive evidence that any innocent person has actually been executed.
I have posted "Conclusive Evidence" already.
I've cited a perfectly valid source, and I don't see any reason to call it into question.
According to a survey done by Stanford University, at least 23 Americans have been wrongfully executed and 75 have been wrongfully convicted in the 20th century.
But, I mean. If that isn't good enough for you, I have another one.
To flash around the credentials...
JAMES S. LIEBMAN
Columbia University - Columbia Law School
Columbia Law School
New York University - Department of Sociology
The title of the Document is found to be "Columbia Law School, Public Law Research Paper No. 15 ".
High error rates put many individuals at risk of wrongful execution: 82% of the people whose capital judgments were overturned by state post-conviction courts due to serious error were found to deserve a sentence less than death when the errors were cured on retrial; 7% were found to be innocent of the capital crime.
That's not common knowledge to me. I used to be Catholic, and most everybody I knew within the church supported it.
Oh, come on!
With sites like this
, you are going to sit in my face and tell me no?Further, more concrete proof.
You must have a weird church, man.
The Roman Catholic Church and mainline & liberal denominations tend to be abolitionist (i.e. opposed to the death penalty).
The sheer number of people that have been cleared of charges since the introduction of DNA testing should be evidence enough, no? There can never be complete and utter certainty, hence why I said "virtually."
The number of people "cleared" so late in the trials is just proof against it.
I'd like to see the survey.
I posted another source which supports it.
Ideally it should be zero, yes. Yes there have been wrongful convictions, too many of them. But they are inevitable. No matter how good a justice system is it'll eventually make some mistakes. The goal is to have as few as possible.
Let me give you a heads up, bud. The ratio is disgusting. 90% of death penalty trials have made serious errors in their verdict (Source posted above.). This isn't how many errors "a good justice system" should have. That is gross and outrageous. Hell, 29 percent of these cases were found to have made major errors on the first direct appeal!
Researchers found that the Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals reversed 29
percent of capital cases on direct appeal. A 2000 study focused on error rates in capital
cases. From 1977-1995, Tennessee Courts of Criminal Appeals reviewed 109 capital
cases on direct appeal. Of those, the court reversed 32, or 29 percent, for errors made
during the trials.