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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 10:46 am 
 
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I doubt very seriously that the discovery of the gospel of Judas is going to shatter anyone's faith. It certainly doesn't bother mine.
I brought up the example of the Gospel of Judas as a light point in an argument, it wasn't meant as an attack or shattering on anyone's faith. To quote a smart man,
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Flaming_cows, I would take your challenge, but time does not permit it. I leave today to go back to work at Camp O' the Pines, and I will not have any access to the internet (or even a cell-phone) while I'm there.

This was my vacation week. :-?

It's been fun; I appreciate the time you have taken to discuss all these things. When I'm done with camp, I might take a peek and see if you're still around.

Grace and peace be to you all.

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But you see my friends, God saving him was different than those examples you gave. God gave him a reason to straighten out his life. A friend of him told him about God and Jesus, and he decided he wanted to go to Heaven and turn his life around.
Hypothetically, if God doesn't exist.
And your friend decided he wanted to go to heaven and turn his life around.
What would be different?
False hopes? I kind of see the point your trying to make here, but I don't think that anything else could have motivated him, and that God worked within his life to make it happen.
Self-confidence works wonders if you have enough of it.

Edit: If God is all-powerful, then why did he have to rest on the 7th day?
If he is so important, then why do we have to worship him - he's clearly too high and mighty to care what we (insignificant beings to his greatness) think.
If he is all powerful (again) then why do we exist? Are humans merely his playtoys? Is he just being "a nice guy" by putting us on this planet?

Dacrimoss: What do you think of the Gospel of Judas? (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_judas for more information)


I believe he rested to signify the importance of the sabbath? You can look it up in the beginning of the Bible, I'm sure it will tell you there.

The point that hes is so high and mighty and does care about us is truly an amazing thing. He loves everyone, and cares about them.

I don't really understand how being if you are all powerful means that we have no point? If he wasn't all powerful would there be a reason for us? Maybe we are his play toys? I probably won't know until I die.

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If God is all-powerful, then why did he have to rest on the 7th day?
If he is so important, then why do we have to worship him - he's clearly too high and mighty to care what we (insignificant beings to his greatness) think.
If he is all powerful (again) then why do we exist? Are humans merely his playtoys? Is he just being "a nice guy" by putting us on this planet?


This has always been a question of mine in regards to Christianity. Personally, I don't think God would give us all he has if he did not care to feel love from us towards himself. Overall it is a difficult thing to understand. I sure as hell don't feel like I understand it. Seems like the good and th ebad are all being given a chance to go either way in life and we're all getting sorted out to our chosen sides. I guess this life, in the eyes of a God believing man, could simply be our test to dictate where we will live our immortality? Giving us this life means our position after death will be determined by our own thoughts and actions. We can go down to hell screaming and crying, pointing our fingers at people, but in the end we all know that it was ourselves who got us there. I think that's most of what this is. Like a school placement test to see if you're going into AP clases, normal classes or LD. How you live your life here determines how your true life will be lived.

Hope that helps you a little.

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If God is all-powerful, then why did he have to rest on the 7th day?

The Old Testament is so badly written and self-contradicting that I couldn't even begin. I wouldn't take any of it all too seriously.
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If he is so important, then why do we have to worship him - he's clearly too high and mighty to care what we (insignificant beings to his greatness) think.
If he is all powerful (again) then why do we exist? Are humans merely his playtoys? Is he just being "a nice guy" by putting us on this planet?


Why have children?
Omniscient beings don't need to use placement tests.

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