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 Post subject: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:23 am 
 
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I've been reading up on it a bit as I am going to be graduating soon with $130k+ in student loans split up between myself and my parents.

What I found extremely interesting is that after 25 years you do not have to pay back your loans... everything is forgiven including interest.

I've got a few talking points.

1. Do you think that Obama's administration should/will implement more of a student loan forgiveness program. If he is searching for an economic boost, imagine the increase in spending and building when a bunch of 25-35 year olds no longer need to pay off their loans (or they're payments are drastically reduced). Also, this would not only cause short term stimulation as the stimulus package was. Spending will continue at an increased rate for a long time.

2. What other types of programs would you like to see implemented?

On a side note, I'm wondering what people's ball park student loan debt was when they graduated, and what your monthly payment situation is.

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:32 am 
 
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Well the thing is, if you decide to wait for 25 years to pay off your loan, just paying the interest rates will result in a 3.38 times the original value of the loan aka for you it would pay at least 400k with a low interest rate of 5%. Me, I racked up about 10k of debt for 4.5 years of college. Grant, scholarships, and a part time job are your friends. Good luck.

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I've been reading up on it a bit as I am going to be graduating soon with $130k+ in student loans split up between myself and my parents.

What I found extremely interesting is that after 25 years you do not have to pay back your loans... everything is forgiven including interest.

I've got a few talking points.

1. Do you think that Obama's administration should/will implement more of a student loan forgiveness program. If he is searching for an economic boost, imagine the increase in spending and building when a bunch of 25-35 year olds no longer need to pay off their loans (or they're payments are drastically reduced). Also, this would not only cause short term stimulation as the stimulus package was. Spending will continue at an increased rate for a long time.

2. What other types of programs would you like to see implemented?

On a side note, I'm wondering what people's ball park student loan debt was when they graduated, and what your monthly payment situation is.

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:12 am 
 
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DoofyPwn wrote:
I've been reading up on it a bit as I am going to be graduating soon with $130k+ in student loans split up between myself and my parents.

What I found extremely interesting is that after 25 years you do not have to pay back your loans... everything is forgiven including interest.

I've got a few talking points.

1. Do you think that Obama's administration should/will implement more of a student loan forgiveness program. If he is searching for an economic boost, imagine the increase in spending and building when a bunch of 25-35 year olds no longer need to pay off their loans (or they're payments are drastically reduced). Also, this would not only cause short term stimulation as the stimulus package was. Spending will continue at an increased rate for a long time.

2. What other types of programs would you like to see implemented?

On a side note, I'm wondering what people's ball park student loan debt was when they graduated, and what your monthly payment situation is.


How do you manage to get 130k$ in debt? Are you in a ridiulously filled program/study where you have like no time to work or something? In some crazy expensive ivy league school? Getting that bad in debt is a very poor personal economic model.

I got ~5k$ iirc and i'm 2 years in. (electrical)
I have some help from my parents, but am planning on working during the summer and taking a coop position next year.

Some paperwork got messed up to make it look like i would be ending my studies and i got a letter that told me how much i'd have to pay and its around 90$ a month (4.7% floating). This is through the integrated student loans place which is part of a program with the Goverment of Canada. I'm pretty small potatoes compare do most other people though since i live near my campus and don't have to pay for residence and end up with like 1/3 of what people pay for school...

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:02 am 
 
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DoofyPwn wrote:
What I found extremely interesting is that after 25 years you do not have to pay back your loans... everything is forgiven including interest.


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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:34 pm 
 
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5h4d0w wrote:
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I've been reading up on it a bit as I am going to be graduating soon with $130k+ in student loans split up between myself and my parents.

What I found extremely interesting is that after 25 years you do not have to pay back your loans... everything is forgiven including interest.

I've got a few talking points.

1. Do you think that Obama's administration should/will implement more of a student loan forgiveness program. If he is searching for an economic boost, imagine the increase in spending and building when a bunch of 25-35 year olds no longer need to pay off their loans (or they're payments are drastically reduced). Also, this would not only cause short term stimulation as the stimulus package was. Spending will continue at an increased rate for a long time.

2. What other types of programs would you like to see implemented?

On a side note, I'm wondering what people's ball park student loan debt was when they graduated, and what your monthly payment situation is.


How do you manage to get 130k$ in debt? Are you in a ridiulously filled program/study where you have like no time to work or something? In some crazy expensive ivy league school? Getting that bad in debt is a very poor personal economic model.

I got ~5k$ iirc and i'm 2 years in. (electrical)
I have some help from my parents, but am planning on working during the summer and taking a coop position next year.

Some paperwork got messed up to make it look like i would be ending my studies and i got a letter that told me how much i'd have to pay and its around 90$ a month (4.7% floating). This is through the integrated student loans place which is part of a program with the Goverment of Canada. I'm pretty small potatoes compare do most other people though since i live near my campus and don't have to pay for residence and end up with like 1/3 of what people pay for school...

Wentworth Institute of Technology. $22,000 a year for tuition, plus housing expenses pushes it up to $30,000 a year. That's also only for 2 semesters a year, I'm going 3 a year so I can get out faster, so my bill has been like $45000 for 2 years.

Everyone at my school is in a similar position. My school is extremely competitive. Only 30% of our freshmen graduate, the rest drop out. Almost everyone who graduates with an engineering degree starts out with a $55k+ job after graduation.

Luckily I'm almost done, as I've only got 2 more semesters of classes and 2 semesters of coop. I'm hoping I can save enough money during my coops to pay for the tuition of my last 2 semesters.

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:29 pm 
 
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DoofyPwn wrote:
Wentworth Institute of Technology. $22,000 a year for tuition, plus housing expenses pushes it up to $30,000 a year. That's also only for 2 semesters a year, I'm going 3 a year so I can get out faster, so my bill has been like $45000 for 2 years.

Everyone at my school is in a similar position. My school is extremely competitive. Only 30% of our freshmen graduate, the rest drop out. Almost everyone who graduates with an engineering degree starts out with a $55k+ job after graduation.

Luckily I'm almost done, as I've only got 2 more semesters of classes and 2 semesters of coop. I'm hoping I can save enough money during my coops to pay for the tuition of my last 2 semesters.


Thats insane! I'm hoping my co'op works out well and hopefully completely negates the rest of my tuition :D

What degree are you pursuing?

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:37 pm 
 
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Spades45 wrote:
DoofyPwn wrote:
What I found extremely interesting is that after 25 years you do not have to pay back your loans... everything is forgiven including interest.


[citation needed]


Why don't you get off your lazy ass and google it yourself... ffs this is common knowledge to anyone who has spent any time dealing with student loans. It is called income based repayment.

http://www.finaid.org/loans/ibr.phtml
http://www.ibrinfo.org/what.vp.html

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The maximum repayment period is 25 years. After 25 years, any remaining debt will be discharged (forgiven). Under current law, the amount of debt discharged is treated as taxable income, so you will have to pay income taxes 25 years from now on the amount discharged that year. But the savings can be significant for students who wish to pursue careers in public service. And because you will be paying the tax so long from now, the net present value of the tax you will have to pay is small.

A new public service loan forgiveness program will discharge the remaining debt after 10 years of full-time employment in public service. Unlike the 25-year forgiveness, the 10-year forgiveness is tax-free due to a 2008 IRS ruling. The borrower must have made 120 payments as part of the Direct Loan program in order to obtain this benefit. Only payments made on or after October 1, 2007 count toward the required 120 monthly payments. (Borrowers may consolidate into Direct Lending in order to qualify for this loan forgiveness program starting July 1, 2008.)

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:19 pm 
 
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Tiva wrote:
Spades45 wrote:
DoofyPwn wrote:
What I found extremely interesting is that after 25 years you do not have to pay back your loans... everything is forgiven including interest.


[citation needed]


Why don't you get off your lazy ass and google it yourself... ffs this is common knowledge to anyone who has spent any time dealing with student loans. It is called income based repayment.

http://www.finaid.org/loans/ibr.phtml
http://www.ibrinfo.org/what.vp.html

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Loan Forgiveness

The maximum repayment period is 25 years. After 25 years, any remaining debt will be discharged (forgiven). Under current law, the amount of debt discharged is treated as taxable income, so you will have to pay income taxes 25 years from now on the amount discharged that year. But the savings can be significant for students who wish to pursue careers in public service. And because you will be paying the tax so long from now, the net present value of the tax you will have to pay is small.

A new public service loan forgiveness program will discharge the remaining debt after 10 years of full-time employment in public service. Unlike the 25-year forgiveness, the 10-year forgiveness is tax-free due to a 2008 IRS ruling. The borrower must have made 120 payments as part of the Direct Loan program in order to obtain this benefit. Only payments made on or after October 1, 2007 count toward the required 120 monthly payments. (Borrowers may consolidate into Direct Lending in order to qualify for this loan forgiveness program starting July 1, 2008.)
because burden of proof is on the one making the claim? i've never heard of that and i'm sure there are millions that haven't as well. since you have to pay taxes on it though does it end up costing more or less in the long term? would interest earned on the cash in the bank defer the cost of the taxes? this would be very helpful information. i'm starting college in the fall and need to save as much money as possible. be more of a holier-than-thou douchebag plz.

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:22 am 
 
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Spades45 wrote:
because burden of proof is on the one making the claim? i've never heard of that and i'm sure there are millions that haven't as well. since you have to pay taxes on it though does it end up costing more or less in the long term? would interest earned on the cash in the bank defer the cost of the taxes? this would be very helpful information. i'm starting college in the fall and need to save as much money as possible. be more of a holier-than-thou douchebag plz.


If I say the sky is blue... do i need to provide a picture? when shit is obvious... or easy to verify for oneself take the two seconds needed to research it... literally prob took me less time to google "student loan forgiveness" then it did for you to post your reply. if you come up with conflicting information or can't find an answer... then asked for additional information/source... just replying "CITATION NEEDED" is imho fucking retarded.

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You would've been better off starting a business with that 130k rather than enriching whatever college you went all so you could be propagandized for 4 wasted years. Now you want us tax payers to foot the bill for your poor planning. College is for suckers.

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 Post subject: Re: Student Loan Forgiveness Program
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Tiva wrote:
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because burden of proof is on the one making the claim? i've never heard of that and i'm sure there are millions that haven't as well. since you have to pay taxes on it though does it end up costing more or less in the long term? would interest earned on the cash in the bank defer the cost of the taxes? this would be very helpful information. i'm starting college in the fall and need to save as much money as possible. be more of a holier-than-thou douchebag plz.


If I say the sky is blue... do i need to provide a picture? when shit is obvious... or easy to verify for oneself take the two seconds needed to research it... literally prob took me less time to google "student loan forgiveness" then it did for you to post your reply. if you come up with conflicting information or can't find an answer... then asked for additional information/source... just replying "CITATION NEEDED" is imho fucking retarded.


Not really, he stated his opinions on he thought the program worked. It only works on federal aid loans, no private. He states he's $130,000 in which is nearly the maximum allowed for a graduate degree. He's an undergrad.(http://studentaid.ed.gov/PORTALSWebApp/ ... tloans.jsp) If he took out private loans, which he has to from above, he's fucked and the debt repayment makes no sense to him. The 25 year program only works for those who went to school to go to school, can't find a job because they have no work experience, and don't make enough yearly to have to pay back on loans. Basically, for dipshits that the taxpayer has to pay for again. If he's on a 4 year engineering track, he's taking 129 credits over 4 years, and with a decent work ethic he could easily work through school and cut those costs in half. Work studies are there for a reason. Most of them you do homework in anyways while getting paid.

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Spades45 wrote:
since you have to pay taxes on it though does it end up costing more or less in the long term? would interest earned on the cash in the bank defer the cost of the taxes? this would be very helpful information.


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Yea, after my parents take a chunk of my loan off my hands (probably 20-30k), I'm going to be looking at paying $1000/month for the next 10 years.

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I think more of these programs are needed. I might be a little biased because I am currently a student. I would eventually like to see free college programs. Probably not in the near future but I could see it happening and I think it would be great for America.

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You would've been better off starting a business with that 130k rather than enriching whatever college you went all so you could be propagandized for 4 wasted years. Now you want us tax payers to foot the bill for your poor planning. College is for suckers.



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I hope you make over 100k/year racking up that kinda debt.. must be nice having parents who can help out

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