Blizzhackers

All you people talking about people you know with successful relatives, acquaintances etc etc.. don't realize that in generations before ours school wasn't as big of a deal, in fact, MANY people didn't go to school and now lead successful lives. Now, if we look at someone closer to our generation, the chance of them leading a successful life is MUCH less and education has become a much bigger factor in landing jobs. Yes, there are still people who's parents own businesses and people who are rich milking the cow but what are the chances of that? Also, it is practically impossible to land even a DECENT paying job, or even an office job without a post secondary education. I know for instance that police forces used to require only a high school education, my ex girlfriends father is chief of police and didn't even get his GED. But that is all in the past and without a post secondary education your chances of getting a job at the police forces is probably close 0 (as stated by her father).

What I gather from this thread:
Education is good.
Laboring is good.
Success is never guaranteed.
The only way to succeed is to be ambitious, and constantly strive to succeed.

All of your anecdotal evidence on either side is irrelevant. The people who succeed without education work just as hard, if not harder, than people who go to school. Your work ethic and insight as to the niche you want to fill is more important than your arithmetic.

Sabo wants to do art. People need artists. He works hard, and draws alot, thus, he will probably succeed in the art world, even if he is not the most naturally talented.

Construction companies are all about connections. Most of the most wealthy people in my town are contractors. I know all their kids. They're all pricks. None of them try in school, and they don't have any work ethic at all, because they see their parents, who didn't have to go to school. I doubt any of them will succeed. Not because school is the only way to succeed, but because they have this image of good things just happening, without any investment of their own.

Educated people often do the same thing. They assume they'll get a good job after college if they go to college. Again, no guarantees in life. It is only how bad you want it, and how hard you work. That is, as long as you don't plan on inheriting your livelihood.

Success is not directly related to intelligence, nor to education, but rather, to how bad you want to succeed.

Pie or cake? There is no answer. We need both.

To me, Education progresses the mind, and I personally feel that if you're not going to put the effort to apply yourself mentally to academics, go into the labor force.

Either path you go will be tough (laborers have it worse), and as stated; success is never guaranteed.

However, 1200 a month in any currency is shit; a lot of the times an education is the difference between a six-figure income and a five-figure income.

If you have no college degree in this modern world, you will have hard times.

I am deeply interested in education. I believe it is ridiculously important in order to give everyone the opportunity to objectively evaluate reality independently from a potentially biased culture and upbringing.

Unfortunately, the system doesn't work for everyone. I dropped out of high-school but went to college anyway because I love learning and solving problems. I get terrible grades. My grades often reflect the exact opposite of my knowledge about a subject. There are subjects with which i can demonstrate a mastery well beyond what would be expected of an undergraduate, and fail nevertheless.

I don't know anybody who suffers as large of a disparity between grades and intelligence/interest/effort as I do - but I still feel that education is largely effective for the majority of interested people.

Labor is simply not an option in my view. There is no purpose to it. I have no desire for material goods beyond what is necessity. I want to pursue my potential. I think that an acceptable standard of living should be a natural side-effect of intellectual honesty and a desire to understand nature for the benefit of society.

I hated school. and i hated college. but i've came out with decent A-levels. and Pretty Decent GCSE's.

i work in a call centre making around £1200 a month to answer calls and the like, its an easy job 70% of the time. i love it though.

However... as its one of the countrys biggest Energy companies i have lots of prospects for promotion, and recently i've been asked to think about dispatch training. ( i control all urgent jobs within our trading area's and assign operatives to them and get ETA's and file the job details ). no more cash for doing it. but it looks good on my CV and makes me a hell of alot more valuable for my company.

One of the best things is that i have the options to do 'e-Learning' courses paid for by my company. Each course i complete i get a larger bi-yearly bonus and i get more pennies added onto my wage. these courses can be on anything so once i leave the company i have yet more stuff to add onto my CV.

After i leave the company i'm hoping im going to have a decent amount of e-Learning courses on my CV, and good experience within the company to walk into any other customer service type job.

However my plan is to join the army after 2 years as a IT technician, after 2 years as an IT tech and have some decent qualifications, apply for officer training which i can do due to having a-levels and do a officer training for Human Resources. Then maybe leave the army for a decent paid job.

Ps i coulda gone to uni but decided that isn't my style of learning.

TL;DR. Education isn't just school. it's constant as long as you have the mind to further yourself.

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oh i see! gods n clods!

You guys have no idea how much this thread changed my life.

Thanks.

my dad read an article in some business magazine and apparently by the time a doctor catches up to a electrician in money earned(this is by the time he has payed off all his school) they are close to retiring.

Will never be one side heavy. For some reason there will always be a human that likes doing A vs B.

http://www.collegeboard.com/csearch/maj ... 06078.html

Says the avg Electrician salary is ~50,000. The average Physician salary is around ~250,000...

Even if it takes a doctor 15 years to get his degree and then 5 years to pay it off (all the while the electrician is making 50,000/year) the Doc could still break even in around 5-6 years. At which point he/she would be making 5x more. COLOR ME SKEPTICAL.

If you don't go to college, don't expect to be successful.

ya.. 100k GBP no less.. 150k USD... i have no idea what its like over the pond, but over here it's more like 50k USD for retail managers.. 70k+ for district managers.. and that takes time to get promoted, if ever..

Dude, seriously don't drop out of school.
I dropped out of school when I was 16, I am 18 now.
I saw that you have no future without an education, you go nowhere.
I went back to school 1 year after, minimum wage job and not having a normal social life for my age made me go back.

I plan on finishing my HS and then go in construction or work for the city.
Seriously don't think that way, at least get your HS diploma then do what ever the fuck you want.